Tuesday, December 16, 2014

12/16/14 Ion 530 a-b

IWN. Pa/nu ge, kai\ th=v a1llhv ge mousikh=v.

Pa/nu – Adverbial form of pa=v – altogether, entirely; in answers: yes, altogether, entirely (pa/nu ge)

kai\ a0gw=na th=v a1llhv ge mousikh=v – insert a0gw=na.  “Contests of the rest of music.”

SW. Ti/ ou]n; h0gwni/zou ti h9mi=n;  kai\ pw=v ti h0gwni/sw;

h0gwni/zou – 2nd singular imperfect middle indicative a0gwni/zomai: as Dep. – to contend for a prize

h0gwni/zou ti h9mi=n – according to Miller’s notes, ti is an internal accusative object – “were you competing for some [prize]…?”  h0gwni/zou is in the imperfect tense to represent the process of winning, rather than the completion.  The tense reflects that it is pending, rather than completed.  

h9mi=n appears to be a dative of advantage, although Miller’s notes disagree.  “… expresses Socrates’ interest in Ion’s success (the so-called ‘ethical dative,’ S 1486)."  I am not sure how this can be indicative of Socrates’ interest if the personal pronoun is plural.

h0gwni/sw – 2nd singular aorist middle indicative a0gwni/zomai (see above h0gwni/zou).

kai\ pw=v ti h0gwni/sw; - the aorist tense of h0gwni/sw shows that Socrates is now talking about the outcome of the competition: “and how did you compete for some prize?”     

IWN. Ta\ prw=ta tw=n a1qlwn h0negka/meqa, w] Sw/kratev.

h0negka/meqa : 1st plural aorist middle indicative fe/rw – in Act. and Med. to win for oneself.

Ta\ prw=ta tw=n a1qlwn : unsure why Ta\ prw=ta is plural.  While I was looking in the LSJ at fe/rw, I noticed that many of the entries related to winning prizes showed places where ta\ prw=ta is used to indicate first place.  Perhaps the approximate meaning is “the first things of the prizes”?

SW. Eu] le/geiv:  a1ge dh\ o3pwv kai\ ta\ Panaqh/naia nikh/somen.

o3pwv: introduces object clause of effort.

Socrates: You speak well!  Lead on and see to it that we shall win the Panathenaia.

IWN.  0All 0 e1stai tau=ta, e0a\n qeo\v e0qe/lh|.

This clause represents a classic future more vivid conditional sentence.


Ion: But these things will be, if the god should wish it.

Friday, December 12, 2014

First Session: 12/12/14

Here is the first two-hour session.  It has been a while since I have touched this dialogue, and so I bring an excerpt of some previous work.  This section is taken from Plato's Ion, 530a.


SW. To\n  1Iwna xai/rein.  po/qen ta\ nu=n h9mi=n e0pidedh/mhkav; h2 oi1koqen e0c  0Efe/sou;

e0pidedh/mhkav – 2nd singular perfect active indicative of e0pidhme/w: to be at home, live at home

NB: Note the suffix –qen affixed to po/qen and oi1koqen.

Socrates: Greetings Ion!  From where now have you come to live among us?  Or from your home out of Ephesus?

IWN. Ou0damw=v, w] Sw/kratev, a0ll 0 e0c  0Epidau/rou e0k tw=n  0Asklhpiei/wn.

Ou0damw=v – Adverbial form of ou0da/mov: in no wise

Ion: In no wise, oh Socrates, but from Epidaurus, from the Asclepion.

SW. Mw=n kai\ r9ayw|dw=n a0gw=na tiqe/asin tw=| qew=| oi9  0Epidau/rioi;

Mw=n – Adverbial contraction for mh\ ou]n from which negative answers are then expected in the discourse.


Socrates: The Epidaurians then do not then establish contests of rhapsodes on behalf of the gods?
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